Nabibonaga ko MININTER izavaho, …kuyitindamo si uko nari miseke igoroye – Min. Fazil

*Gukurwa muri Guverinoma nabyakiriye neza;
*Kuba naratinze muri MININTER si uko nari miseke igoroye;
*Ndashimira Perezida wakomeje kunyihanganira;
*Yishimira ko asize Police n’urwego rw’igihugu rushinzwe amagereza biteye imbere;
*FDI ishyigikiye Umukandika Paul Kagame bitari uko twe uwo mwanya tutawushaka.

Nyuma y’uko Perezida wa Repubulika Paul Kagame akuye muri Guverinoma Minisitiri Sheikh Mussa Fazil Harerimana, ndetse na Minisiteri yayoboraga igakurwaho, ngo hari byinshi yishimira yagezeho, kandi kuba yari amaze igihe kinini ayiyobora ntabwo ari uko we yari shyashya kurusha abandi basimbuzwa.

Umuseke wagiranye n’uwari Minisitiri w’Umutekano akaba n’umuyobozi w’ishyaka Ntangarugero muri Demokarasi “PDI”, Sheikh Mussa Fazil Harerimana, nyuma yo gukurwa muri Guverinoma yari amazemo imyaka 10, ndetse na Minisiteri yayoboraga igakurwaho.

Ejo bundi twabonye impinduka muri Guverinoma Minisiteri yanyu ikurwaho, namwe ntimwahabwa undi mwanya muri Guverinoma, mwabyakiriye mute?

Mussa Fazil – Nabyakiriye neza, kubera ko igihugu cyacu, imiyoborere myiza kimaze kugira kiyobowe na Nyakubahwa Perezida Paul Kagame, bimaze kumenyerwa ko imirimo ikorerwa igihugu, buri gihe Umukuru w’Igihugu agashyira abantu muri Guverinoma no mu zindi nzego ashingiye ku bikenewe kurusha ibindi.

Njye rero nabyakiriye neza, kuko abikora (Perezida) ku nyungu z’igihugu, inyungu z’igihugu rero zikora ku wo ari we wese uri muri Guverinoma uyirimo n’utarimo.

Inyungu z’igihugu nanjye zingeraho ndi muri Guverinoma cyangwa ntayirimo.

Ni wowe Minisitiri wari umaze igihe kinini muri Guverinoma uyobora Minisiteri imwe, mu myaka hafi 10 umaze muri MININTER ni iki wagezeho wumva wishimira?

Mussa Fazil – Icya mbere ndashima ko iyo Perezida wa Repubulika aguhaye akazi ntabwo agutererana, akuba hafi, akakwereka uko ugomba gukora, akakwereka ibitagenda kugira ngo ubigorore, rimwe na rimwe ndetse akagira n’ibyemezo afata kugira ngo akazi kawe kabashe koroha.

Icyo nicyo cya mbere nashima, yambaye hafi kandi akamfasha akazi n’ubwo yakampaye ntabwo yantereranye.

Icya kabiri, Police y’Igihugu irakuze, hashize amezi agera kuri atatu cyangwa ane n’ubundi abari muri Guverinoma tuzi ko uriya murongo ari cyo cyemezo cyafashwe.

Twari dusanzwe tubizi, twaranabisobanuye, bigaragara ko Police igiye kuvamo ibice bibiri hakaba “Rwanda Investigation Bureau” na Police isanzwe.

Kuba rero urwego rukuze, rukaba rugeze ku rwego ruriho uyu munsi ari twebwe twari dufite amahirwe ko turukuriye, iyi ni inshingano abantu bavuga ko bagezeho, birashimishije.

Kuba buri Munyarwanda avuga ati ‘umutekano wacu wari umeze neza, noneho ukaba ugiye gucungwa mu bundi buryo butari ubwo kuvuga ngo hariho Minisiteri yihariye ishinzwe umutekano, kuko umutekano tuwufite ishusho igahinduka, ihindutse bitewe n’uko ikintu cyari kimeze neza atari uko cyari kimeze nabi, kuri jyewe numvaga binshimishije cyane kuba bibaye ari jyewe ubirimo ni amahirwe nagize, kubera ko hari igihe Minisiteri yakunanira hagashyirwamo undi uyiyobora kugira ngo akomeze ayiteze imbere, ariko kubera ko ari iterambere ry’igihugu ribaye ndimo biranshimishije.

Ku bwawe, kuba utarigeze ukurwa muri iriya Minisiteri ni uko babonaga ko uyishoboye, uyiyoboye neza?

Mussa Fazil – Buriya ishyirwaho rya za Minisiteri n’Abaminisitiri ni ‘prerogative’, ni ububasha bwa Perezida wa Repubulika.

Ashingira kuri byinshi. Icyo yashingiragaho ngo atanyimura ntabwo nkizi kuko ntiyakimbwiraga. Cyane cyane ko nanjye mu bo yagororaga nabagamo, mu bo yagiraga inama ngo kora hano, kora hano, kora hano.

“Si ukuvuga ngo nari miseke igoroye nta kintu yajyaga ankosoraho. Ubwo rero kuba yarankosoraga akanyihanganira, ntabwo navuga ngo ni njye wari kamara.”

Inama y’Abaminisitiri iheruka yambuye Minisiteri yawe zimwe mu nshingano nkuru yari ifite, waba warigeze utekereza ko Minisiteri yawe ishobora kuvaho nk’uko abenshi babitekerezaga?

Mussa Fazil – Ishyirwaho rya Minisiteri n’ivanwaho ryazo, ni ‘prerogative’, ububasha bwa Perezida wa Repubulika. Hari n’igihe inshingano zishobora kugenda, akayihindurira izindi nshingano, ubwo rero ndumva aho ntahinjira.

Ariko amaze kubidusobanurira mu nama y’Abaminisitiri byahise byumvikana.

Hashize amezi atatu hafi ane tuzi ko Police igiye kuvamo ibice bitatu, Ishuri rya Musanze ryigisha abashinzwe umutekano, Ishami rya Polisi yo mu muhanda n’umutekano, n’Ishami ry’ubugenzacyaha bikajya munsi ya Minisiteri y’Ubutabera.

Na gereza na zo rero kuva na mbere no mu bindi bihugu, ziba munsi ya Ministeri y’Ubutabera.

“Wabibonaga ko mu kubitunganya neza rwose ari uko izavaho (MININTER), yanagumaho igahindurirwa izina kuko ntiyari kugumaho ngo ikomeze kwitwa Minisiteri y’Umutekano kandi umutekano abawukora bagiye ku rundi rwego. Ubibona nk’umuntu, ni ko umuntu yabibonaga, ku buryo jyewe navuga ko bitantunguye.”

Hanyuma Minisiteri mwayoboraga, abakozi mwakoreshaga, ubu murahita mufunga imiryango mutegereze indi mirimo cyangwa hari igihe mugifite?

Mussa Fazi – Turi mu cyiciro cyo gufunga imiryango, ejo (tariki 05 Ukwakira 2016) twakoze inama yo kugira ngo dutegure ihererekanyabubasha.

Ubu rero twebwe ntabwo tucyakira ‘amadosiye/inyandiko’ aturutse hanze kubera ko Minisiteri itariho. Na za website za Minisiteri twazifunze kubera y’uko itakiriho.

Buri mukozi rero yiteguye ihererekanyabubasha, bo ni abakozi ba Leta kandi Minisiteri y’Abakozi ba Leta n’Umurimo izagenda irebera imyanya buri wese ishingiye ku byo yize n’ubushobozi bwe, ibyo kandi birasanzwe si ubwa mbere bikozwe.

Nk’umunyapolitike ufite n’ishyaka muyoboye ni iki gikurikira? Ugiye kwicara utegereze ko bazaguha undi mwanya, hari ibikorwa bya Politike uteganya cyangwa ugiye gukora business?

Mussa Fazil – Ibyo ari byo byose natangiye nkubwira ko igihugu kimeze neza, kuba muri uru Rwanda, ukarubamo neza, ntabwo bikeneye ko uba umunyapolitike.

Ari abanyamakuru, ari abahinzi borozi, n’izindi gahunda zitandukanye ziri mu gihugu ziratuma buri Munyarwanda aba mu gihugu yishimiye. Nshimishijwe no kuba mu Rwanda.

Ikindi ku byerekeranye na Politike, twebwe nka PDI twamaze gutangaza ko nta wundi mukandida dufite usibye nyakubahwa Paul Kagame, itandukaniro riri hagati yacu na we, ubushobozi afite Imana yamuremanye buri hagati yacu na we, ntabwo twajya kubwiga, ntawubwiga.

Ubushobozi afite ni impano y’Imana. Ibi ndabizi nkanjye wabanye na we, wabonye ukuntu afata ibyemezo.

“Twebwe rero muri PDI iyo tubona umuntu afite impano tudafite, tudashobora no kujya ku isoko ngo tugure, iyo mpano turayishyigikira ntabwo tujya kuyitesha agaciro. Twebwe twararangije ntabwo tujya gukina ibintu bidakinwa.

Twebwe dufite umukandida kandi tumaze imyaka twaramuvuze si amezi, kandi ntitwamuvuze kubera y’uko uwo mwanya natwe tutawushaka, ahubwo twabivuze kubera inyungu z’igihugu, kubera ko ni umuntu udasanzwe kandi u Rwanda ruri mu bihe bidasanzwe. Twe rero turi abasanzwe, ubwo tuzahatanira ibintu bisanzwe nituzaba tugifite imbaraga.”

Dusoza ni iki mwabwira Abanyarwanda bamaze imyaka myinshi babazi nka Minisitiri w’Umutekano?

Mussa Fazil – Icyo navuga ni ukubashimira kubera ko impanuro za Nyakubahwa Perezida wa Repubulika, avuga ngo umutekano tuwugire isonga ya byose barayumvise, u Rwanda ubu rukaba rushimwa mu mutekano ku Isi yose.

Ni Abanyarwanda babikoze, bumvira umurongo wa Perezida yatanze wa Politike yatuma tubaho nk’uko turi ubu. Ndagira ngo mbashimire ko bumviye impanuro bakwiye kumva kandi bakazishyira mu bikorwa.

Sheikh Mussa Fazil Harerimana yagizwe Minisitiri w’Umutekano w’Imbere mu gihugu bwa mbere, tariki 11 Werurwe 2006. Akaba yari amaze imyaka isaga 10 kuri uyu mwanya, ari na we Minisitiri wari umaze igihe kinini ayobora Minisiteri imwe.

Mbere yabaye Guverineri w’Intara y’Iburengerazuba. Mbere yaho nabwo akaba yari yarabaye Perefe (Prefet ) wa Perefegitura ya Cyangugu hagati y’umwaka wa 2003 na 2006.

Hagati ya 2001 na 2003, yari Umuyobozi Mukuru wungirije wa Kimisiyo y’Igihugu y’Amatora.

Hagati y’umwaka wa 2001 na 2004, kandi yari muri Komisiyo y’Ubumwe n’Ubwiyunge. Hagti y’umwaka wa 2000 na 2003 yabaye Umujyana wa Tekinike (Technical Advisor) w’Urukiko rw’Ikirenga, mu ishami rya Gacaca.

Sheikh HARERIMANA MussaFazil afite impamyabumenyi y’icyiciro cya kabiri cya Kaminuza (Bachelor’s Degree) mu Mategeko, yakuye muri Kaminuza ya Kisilamu i Madina (Islamic University of Medina) muri Saudi Arabia.

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